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Poster: Black_Bird Date: May 20, 2007 11:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

could anyone help me? I was wondering if anyone knows where I can get a copy of a show? Weir/Wasserman opened for JGB, I'm not sure what date it was, but it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia in the early 90's. W/W's set was all acoustic, they did Black Bird, Twilight Time, Masterpiece, He Travels The Fastest Who Travels Alone, to name a few. It was one of the best shows I've been to. I used to have a copy on tape, but you know how they are. If anyone can help, I'd be grateful.

Thank you!

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Poster: BryanE Date: May 21, 2007 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

Black_Bird,

Although it's of absolutely no use in your quest, you might be interested in knowing, if, in fact, you didn't already, that "He Travels the Fastest . . ." is actually titled "The Winners." The lyrics are a poem by Rudyard Kipling which was set to music by none other than Bob Weir. I googled the hell out of it this morning before posting this, but was unable to track down a synopsis of "The Story of The Gadsbys," a play by Kipling that the poem accompanied. But I did find this link to a pdf file (or something like that) that has the play in its entirety, apparently from its original publishing, with the poem tagged onto the end of the text on pages 172-173. It's a very long web address, so I hope it works. Otherwise, if you look up The Winners by Kipling and The Winners by Weir (clearlight.com has a page), you'll find the words to be identical.

http://books.google.com/books?id=pNQhAAAAMAAJ&dq=rudyard+kipling+story+of+the+gadsbys&pg=PA9&ots=_9jhZybWEv&sig=nPY--EuWHNkF_SFE4P-jy6VjJA8&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Drudyard%2Bkipling%2Bstory%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bgadsbys%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title

I saw it for years at Bob & Rob and Ratdog shows before I ever learned the title, and it was even longer before I became aware of its origin. Great song, and a somewhat auspicious work for a guy who also set to music such lilting lines as "I need a woman about twice my weight, ton of fun who packs a gun with all her other freight."

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 21, 2007 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

Bryan ... very interesting, thanks for the research. If i had to declare at pain of death my favourite short story writer, it would definitely be Kipling; he's one of a kind, and very often a joy to read; however, as for the Gadsby's "play", i have tried to finish it, but even i who have read pretty much every piece of fiction Kipling has ever wrote, couldn't get into this work; and while i find Kim brilliant, The Light That Failed is just too awful and i only read it for comparison; and yet, in the short story vein, few if any are his master; the fact that Weir put some of Kipling's work to music, i don't know, i think that actually disturbs me, almost as though this pop/rock artist has no business touching someone of Kipling's genius


THE WINNERS

What is the moral? Who rides may read.
When the night is thick and the tracks are blind
A friend at a pinch is a friend indeed,
But a fool to wait for the laggard behind.
Down to Gehenna or up to the Throne,
He travels the fastest who travels alone.

White hands cling to the tightened rein,
Slipping the spur from the booted heel,
Tenderest voices cry "'Turn again,"
Red lips tarnish the scabbarded steel,
High hopes faint on a warm hearth stone--
He travels the fastest who travels alone.

One may fall but he falls by himself--
Falls by himself with himself to blame.
One may attain and to him is pelf--
Loot of the city in Gold or Fame.
Plunder of earth shall be all his own
Who travels the fastest and travels alone.

Wherefore the more ye be holpen and stayed--
Stayed by a friend in the hour of toil,
Sing the heretical song I have made--
His be the labour and yours be the spoil.
Win by his aid and the aid disown--
He travels the fastest who travels alone!

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Poster: BryanE Date: May 22, 2007 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

I can dig that. With Kipling being your favorite short story writer, your reluctance to accept a musical interpretation of his poetry by someone coming at it from a rock-n-roll perspective is fully understandable. To his credit, though, I believe Weir did a hell of a good job with it and I consider it admirable for him to draw from the classic canon to develop a song. For what it's worth, I think it works really well.

On the other hand, though, there is something to be said for writers, artists, musicians, etc., to stick with what they know. I've never read The Story of The Gadsbys. It wasn't required reading for my theatre curriculum, but I'll take your word on it. Kipling was not a dramatist any more than George Bernard Shaw was a novelist, at least as far as critics and the public were concerned. He published five novels, none of which met with any measurable success. For that matter, we can probably conclude that Bob Weir has never found his niche in writing for the theatre, either, as his long-awaited musical about Satchel Paige has, to the best of my knowledge, never seen the light of day.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 22, 2007 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

hey, no discredit to Bob whatsoever, and i suppose it is to be respected and to his credit that he reached back for something from the "canon" rather than something in vogue among the circles he travels; but i guess Weir never struck me as an "intellectual", however, what do i know having never met the man and conversed with him

i suppose too that it is a truism that an artist who excels in one school will rarely excel in another; Dickens is the perfect example, a brilliant novelist, who nevertheless spent the majority of his life trying to break into the stage, but with practically zero success and his dramas are pretty much only read by Doctoral students studying his works; an exception to this is Thomas Hardy, who excelled as a novelist, but spent the remaining twenty odd years of his life writing poetry, at which he excelled equally; the story is that upon the publication of Jude The Obscure, the public outcry was so great that he swore never to write another novel again, and which he did not; what he did, was divert his vast talents toward verse, and dare i say it, some of the best verse from that era; a master with his pen if ever there was one; cheers

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Poster: BryanE Date: May 23, 2007 5:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

And let us not forget ol' Will Shakespeare, who was able to pull off being both a playwright and a poet with the same stroke of a pen, doing so with great aplomb at that.

As for Weir, I think he's the victim of his own buffoonery, and his real intellectual depth gets short shrift as a result. He developed a stage persona with The Grateful Dead as that of a goofball, and it has stuck with him. That, and the fact that he spent most of life under Garcia's enormous shadow (and I mean that only metaphorically), have contributed to people drawing the conclusion that he's, oh I don't know, a dipshit? But as he approaches his 60th birthday, it seems to me that he takes his legacy much more seriously than he once did, recognizing that his contribution to the landscape of contemporary music, even the evolution of modern culture, should be be given serious consideration, as well. I really doubt that he actually walks around obssessing about that kind of stuff, but he does appear to be much more of an introspective guy than he used to be. And he's a family man, too, and that can make any guy clean up his act.

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Poster: Black_Bird Date: May 21, 2007 2:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

I think I found the date. but I still don't know where I can get a copy: 9/ 3/89 Jerry Garcia Band/Bob Weir & Rob Wasserman
The Spectrum Philadelphia, PA

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: May 21, 2007 12:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

I have this, I can seed this somewhere if you like:

JGB

09/03/89 The Spectrum

Philadelphia, PA







Source: cmc34>oade>sv250





Set One: (7 songs - 53 minutes)

How Sweet It Is To Be Loved By You

Stop That Train

Someday Baby

Run For The Roses

I Shall Be Released

My Sisters And Brothers

Deal



Set Two: (7 songs - 62 minutes)

The Harder They Come

Mission In The Rain

Think

Second That Emotion

Waiting For A Miracle

That Lucky Old Sun

Lonesome And A Long Way From Home



Just let me know.....







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Poster: Freekquency Date: May 21, 2007 3:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

yea great shows, i have the one from great woods in mass.(analog) Ive never seen them on the net.
Wasserman does some great bass solo stuff too.

Its so easy to slip...

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: May 21, 2007 6:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Weir/Wasserman + JGB show?

http://db.etree.org/lookup_show.php?shows_key=182389&show_users=true click on one of the shows owner it will bring up the collectors trading page which has a contact information on it.send a email subject line etree and request the show.send blanks and postage and wait.recieve package,contact trader and say thanks.open package,play the music and make a backup and store away.